Waco Behind the Scenes

Sometimes it is actually worth reading the comments. The article itself is more interesting as a sort of time capsule but the real gold is in the comments section. I have the interesting part transcribed here. http://weaponsman.looserounds.com/?p=22721

I’ve read accounts where Delta has supposedly helped in places like Waco and prison riots. Doesn’t make you feel all warm and fuzzy about any of this stuff, does it?

Hognose’s reply
Fact — they used to do a lot of training with FBI HRT. (I have no insight into whether that continues, but there’s no reason for it to have stopped).

Fact — three guys from D including a guy I know personally from retired-guys-contracting-world went to WACO to advise on plans. They were taken aback at the lack of written planning, contingency planning, or anything like an operations order. That’s not how HRT was trained, but how they executed.

Fact — those three guys did not have any long arms with them. They did not engage anybody. They gave advice, none of which was taken by HRT. They watched the FBI burn the place down (with the FBI snipers “brushing back” anyone trying to escape the fire), shaking their heads.

HRT was all keyed up and wanted it over, didn’t want to wait. Someone in FBI took a look at Janet Reno’s (new AG) history and saw a hangup about child molestation there, and figured they could get a green light if they made up a story that David Koresh was diddling kids. It was all bullshit; Koresh was a violent, apocalyptic whackjob who should bear primary responsibility for the death of his followers, but he wasn’t a diddler.

20 years later, HRT is still in the hole on the only stat that counts: hostages actually rescued versus “hostages” (or, at least, noncombatant women and children) burnt alive. At the rate they’re going, they’ll still be in the hole in 100 years, assuming they don’t burn down another building.

The big error there, if error it was, was the use of CS generators that are know to be incendiary (in fact, there’s a warning to that effect in the instructions printed right on the thing). I don’t think it was error. I think it was a half-baked idea: if we set their house on fire, they’ll have to come out. (They should have asked a fireman, which they apparently didn’t do, how bright an idea that was).

The second big error was the failure to hold anyone responsible, which is endemic to US government. ATF never looked at their own firearms to see whose friendly fire had killed one (maybe two) guys — they didn’t want to know. Far from investigating the incident, the FBI set to destroying the evidence. Not that you can trust the FBI lab, or crime labs in general. (MA just got one of the first in a long line of blowbacks from having a crime lab that always found what the prosecutors wanted. Busted a guy with dealing drugs who had been in prison for drugs, but the drug testing was falsified. Something like 20,000 cases with 40,000 defendants were tainted and the cons walked… but only one chemist was fired; all her supervisors swore they didn’t know nothin’. And were believed. That’s government for you: rotten people, no responsibility, no consequences).


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